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Fredricka Whitfield, CNN Anchor: The stakes are high
in post-war Iraq and Arab-Americans, including many Iraqis, want
a say on how the future of Iraq is shaped. Last week Imam Hassan
Al-Qazwini met with President Bush to discuss a vision plan.
Qazwini is head religious leader of the Islamic Center of
America based in Dearborn, Michigan. Good to see you, Imam.
Imam Qazwini: Thank you so
much for inviting me.
Whitfield: Well, thanks for being here. Can you tell me
specifically what kind of conversation you had with President
Bush about what you want the interim government to look like, if
not the permanent government?
Imam Qazwini: Well, I think most of the discussion revolved around
the future of Iraq, the interim government, and democracy in
Iraq. I think all participants at the meeting agreed that there
should be a government in Iraq that embraces democracy, all the
religious groups, all ethnicity's; Shia, Sunni, Kurds, Arabs,
Chaldeans, everybody should participate in this government. And,
I think the president agreed on that. And he was emphasizing the
point that he had committed himself and the administration to
democratic Iraq. There was another question raised about the
interim government that is about to be formed so soon in Iraq.
And I think a few of us raised that issue with him. We asked the
president to help the Iraqi people, themselves, to form an
interim government, a government that is elected by the Iraqi
people themselves.
Whitfield: Well, what about the issue of how involved the
American government should be in helping to form this interim
government?
Imam Qazwini: Well, we had examples, a few examples lately. One in Mosul and other cities where with the help of the American
troops, the coalition troops, people in Iraq, the local people
were able to choose their own governor. In Mosul, for example. I
think we can have the same model here. The only important issue
is that the Iraqi people themselves, they should choose their
own government. There have been rumors lately that the -- some
regional powers in the middle east have been pushing their
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- by promoting specific individuals, for
example, like Mr. Pachichi (ph). He is being promoted by certain
Arab countries, backed by the few Arabic media outlets like al-Jazeera
that are promoting him to be the leader of interim government. I
think any person should lead the interim government has to be
elected by the Iraqi people themselves. WHITFIELD: And before
even getting to that point, though, how concerned or perhaps how
is your confidence even shattered by the fact that the military,
the U.S. military man, Jay Garner, who was supposed to be - or
charged with being responsible for helping to form this interim
government, is now being replaced by a former diplomat instead.
Does this send a resounding message to Iraqi-Americans or even,
you believe, Iraqis there that perhaps there's a little
disorganization going on when trying to involve the U.S. leaders
to try to help bring about some interim government structure?
Imam Qazwini: Well, I think that the American administration had
emphasized over and over that they will be working with the
Iraqi people as long as the presences of the American troops are
needed, whether it is headed by Jay Garner...
Whitfield: Is that being done well, by your standards?
Imam Qazwini: Well, I'm not sure. There has been reports that there
were more chaos than anticipated under the rule of Jay Garner.
Whitfield: Those Iraqis you're communicating with then, what are
they saying?
Imam Qazwini: They're all asking about the rush, the need to rush to
install an interim government elected by the Iraqi people. We
anticipate the United States to help the Iraqi people as soon as
possible to come out with an interim government that will
represent the entire Iraqi spectrum, the religious groups and...
Whitfield: Let me just ask you before we let you go, because
we're running out of time, the ayatollah who was exiled in Iran,
who is now back after more than two decades of being away from
Iraq, says that all U.S. military and civilian presence needs to
be out immediately. Do you or do any Iraqis that you have been
in touch with that are still there feel that the ayatollah is
making a good point?
Imam Qazwini: Well, I think even the American government is saying
that. The president himself indicated that the...
Whitfield: Well, that there would be perhaps an one-year mark,
but now the ayatollah is saying immediately.
Imam Qazwini: Well, I don't think what he means by immediately,
immediately. He means is there should be no view that there is
no limit on the presence of the American troops in Iraq. In
other words, what he's trying to say, we don't want the American
troops to be viewed as occupiers. They came to help the Iraqi
people. Once their task is fulfilled, then they have to leave. I
think that's what he's trying to say. I would like to add one
more point. That in the democratic Iraq, and the future
government of Iraq, no group should be excluded. Including the
Islamist, including the Islamic parties. I believe everybody
should be included, otherwise we won't have democracy in Iraq if
we exclude them. I think the only party to be excluded is Ba'ath
party itself.
Whitfield: Imam Hassan Al-Qazwini, thank you very much for
joining us from Dearborn, Michigan. Thank you.
Imam Qazwini: Thank you so much.
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